Letter from MamaLiberty (a.k.a. Susan Callaway) with reply from DataPacRat

Re: “The Paradox of Government” by DataPacRat


The difference between the “government” model we have now and what you are talking about… “… a group that is at least as powerful in the defense as organized criminals are in the attack”—is that it would be a voluntary organization and funded voluntarily.

All the difference in the world, whether you call it a “government” or not.

MamaLiberty (a.k.a. Susan Callaway)

To which DataPacRat replied:


That may be entirely true, but “Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?”? How is an average person to tell the difference between a group of criminals claiming to be using force in self-defense, a group of libertarians actually using force in self-defense, and a group that started out by only using force in self-defense but which has fallen from those ideals?

I also have to ask a fundamental question—both because I don’t actually know the answer, and what the answer really is is important. Is it possible for a voluntarily-funded, voluntary organization to fend off an attack by organized criminals? What evidence exists pointing to one answer or another? If ‘yes’, what are the necessary conditions? And, if the answer in at least one situation turns out to be ‘no’, what fallback plans should be considered?

Thank you for your time,


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